Exclusive interview with Semir Osmanagic
Here you can read our exclusive interview with Mr. Semir Osmanagic, the man who discovered pyramids in Bosnia and Herzegovina.
1. When was the first time you came to the conclusion that there are pyramids in Visoko?
In April of 2005, during my visit to Visoko, I noticed two geometrically symmetrical elevations:
Visocica (Bosnian pyramid of Sun) and Pljesevica (Bosnian pyramid of Moon). Even tough both were covered by trees, the characteristics of pyramids were evident. Taking into consideration their fit with the sides of the world for me there was no doubt that we were talking about pyramids. Route from unbelievable hypothesis to the scientific argumentation, which will confirm my vision, was logical. First, I started with geological trial excavations in August which showed many anomalies convincing even some experts around me that this was not a natural formation.
In October of 2005 I continued my excavation on my own with wide digs, so-called probing (excavation) wells, which showed the structure of the walls of the pyramid, access plateau and the pyramid design. For an expert eye there was no doubt any more at that point: stone tiles made a stairs-like pyramid 220 meters tall, and treated stone tiles were making up the access plateau.
2. How has your life changed since you found pyramids in Visoko and since you made that info public?
My research work over the past few years is done in one-year cycles. That is the period which I dedicate to the intensive research of certain enigmas of the past. For example, I spent a year researching the world of Maya visiting some 50 of their ancient cities in jungles and touristic centers in Mexico, El Salvador, Guatemala and Honduras. Results of my work remain noted in books. One year I dedicated to the research of the Assay culture exploring dozens of their towns in the valleys of the four southern US states. One year I dedicated to the discovery of the locations which hold stone balls in Bosnia and the cities from pre-Illyrian era in Dalmatia and Herzegovina...Before that Peruvian cultures were the focus of my interest or even the pyramid of power on the planet...
From April 2005 till April 2006. I am working intensively on proving the improvable: existence of colossal pyramids in the Center of Bosnia. This time I do not have the luxury to prepare my scripts in peace and to read 40-50 books a year.
Organizational part, affirmation of the project on the world wide scene and of course the contact with the media, are all a part of this process. However I will slowly move away from the center of the attention as more people get involved in various activities.
Of course, I was aware the in this initial period there would be critics who will publicly or privately, speak out, insult and challenge this vision. That is why I did not want to put anyone else forward, but instead I answered to all provocations with the culture of dialogue and scientific arguments.
Thus, to answer your question, there are no major changes in my life. I have a balance between my research, business, family, sport, travels...I am always looking ahead knowing where I am going. Challenges and support, media attention or quite periods, that is all part of the life.
3. How do you explain a fact that most people in Bosnia and in the world do not believe that Visoko lies on the pyramids?
How do you explain a fact that until a year ago no one in Bosnia even knew that Bosnia has Pyramids and today at least one quarter of its population (million people) believe in their existence? Last year revealed to the world that they exist and polemics were made on that topic. This year, 2006, will convince many more that Bosnia has a most significant archaeological monument of Europe and will serious discussions will begin on who made them and what was their purpose. The following year, 2007, will be marked by the astonishment of the world public how such colossal monuments could have been made before the end of the last Ice age. In other words, mindset will change as new, verified information come to light.
4. Is it true that there are more than two pyramids in Visoko?
Visoko valley will have an official geographic name in a few years: Bosnian valley of pyramids. For now we have a scientific (above all geological-sedimentary) verification that Visocica is an impressive stone object of pyramid shape. Pljesevica shows identical characteristics on satellite, radar and thermal images. Therefore, artificial structure. In addition to these two we know of three more. However, that is not all. When we clean out the underground complex of tunnels we will know in what directions they are heading, where they are exiting and which pyramids and other objects they are connecting. For your information I presume that there are more than five.
5. Considering that we know the names of the Pyramids of Sun and Moon, have you given names to other pyramids?
There are three main pyramids in the valley. The third one is the Pyramid of the Bosnian dragon.
6. In case you prove and discover pyramids, how much historic and tourist value will Bosnia and Herzegovina enjoy in the world?
Existence of the Bosnian pyramid of the Sun is proven. We are in the process of preparing the excavation, restoration and permanent protection of the entire pyramid complex.
There are two facts which will change the mindset of the Bosnian citizens about their past. First, that in the heart of Bosnia there are magnificent objects from the far past which document the importance of this region. Second, results of the anthropological genetics prove that Bosnia and the Adriatic pool is the second oldest oasis of life in Europe, with 27.000 years on uninterrupted presence of intelligent man. Bosnia is a source of civilization of Europe and that is a reason enough that Bosnians should be proud of their heritage.
How will these facts be exploited in the commercial sense (tourist, Infrastructural, economic, scientific, etc.) by the political representatives and the leading scientists... Time will tell.
I see my role as initial and limited by time.
7. Do you have any latest information on who made the pyramids and when?
Questions „who“ and „when“ will certainly find their answer only if we find the tools and organic material which we will examine in details.
However, even now, most respected world archaeologists have their views. For example prof. Dr. Bruce Hitchner, director of the archaeological department at the American university TUFTS, thinks that the pyramids were made as „monumental elite tombs during the pre-roman or even during the roman era“.
General Manager of the Egyptian high council for the antique pyramids in Giza, Dr. Zahi Hawass says that „it is very possible that there are pyramids in Bosnia“, but challenges the possibility that „they were built by some super civilization 12.000 years ago“.
Of course this with age is my assumption. For now we have two very important indicators that pyramids were under water for several hundred years. Only such occurrence can be related to the melting of the ice at the end of the last Ice age 12.000 years ago. In other words, pyramids existed then already.
8. Why are your book and your foundation called „Bosnian pyramid of Sun“, when there are several pyramids in Visoko.
The name of the book is „Bosnian pyramid of Sun“ because that was the main discovery, which in it self gave civilization frame and explanation for appearance of such complex monument on the Bosnian soil.
Name of the foundation is „Archaeological park: Bosnian pyramid of Sun“ and it has three levels in it self: first, we are talking about a foundation whose work and financial reports and approved and sanctioned by the ministry of justice and finance of the Bosnian government. Second, archaeological park shows that we are talking about the series of archaeologically valuable objects. And third, the biggest and the first object which was shown to the world was the „Bosnian pyramid of Sun“.
9. To which world pyramids are our pyramids most similar? Can you make a comparison?
What we know about the design is the following: stairs like character of the pyramid is made by pulling in each nest level of stone tiles towards inside and in addition to that, we have a balcony of about two and a half meters. And that way to the top. Egyptian kufu (Keops's) pyramid has a space between blocks („stairs“) of half a meter. Pyramid of the sun in Teotihuacán (Mexico) has smooth angles with balconies spacier than that of the Bosnian pyramid of the Sun. Looking from up close, there are differences in details. From far perfect pyramid geometry is what distinguishes all three complexes.
Even more interesting will be the calculations which are to follow. We know that the Egyptian complex of three pyramids corresponds to the one in Mexico. Bosnian complex is different: Three pyramids make an isosceles triangle making this complex unique in the world. Mutual relation of the Bosnian pyramids, sacral geometry which is built in it, orientation towards the sides of the world, and its directions to the events of the star skies...all these will be questions which we will explore in the years to come.
In Bosnia and Herzegovina we will educate new generations of Archaeologists, geologists, sedimnetologists, historians, anthropologists...because we have a unique opportunity in our own „back yard“.
10. How are the excavations plans coming along?
Research on the complex of pyramids will be the biggest of its kind in the world in 2006. Preparations are very complex and they cover formation of the teams of experts from Bosnia and the entire world, sorting the legal issues, organizational and logistic preparations, international verification of the results. In addition to that, foundation is formed by dozen committees and sections which will also address and other matters important to the protection of cultural heritage of Bosnia. This is a small country, but archaeologically rich. From the era of carelessness and abandonment, we must move into the era of respect of what generations before us have left us.
Of course, some activities of the foundation must be financed. By law it is regulated that it be done through sponsors and donations. On our official site, which will be in function starting next week, we will send an official appeal to institutions, companies and individuals from the whole world to join us in the excavation phase.
That way, everyone will have a chance to take part in the creation of history, and not just be a passer-by or even worse intruder or a critic. This is a project of us all, because it belongs to the Bosnian and European historical heritage.
11. Which team of experts will work on the excavations?
Core of the teams is as follows: In the geological supervision we have an experienced geologist Nadiju Nikic from Sarajevo, doctor of geological studies Stjepan Coric from the Austrian geological society, geologist Ibrica Peristija from Montenegro and young geologist Nedim Jukic from Tuzla.
In archaeological team we have Sead Pilav who graduated archaeology at the University in Sweden, Silvana Cobanov, who finished archaeology in Zadar and Sasa Jankovic who studied archaeology in Belgrade. Foreigners on our team include experienced archaeologist such as: Richard Royce from Australia, Allyson McDavid from U.S., Chris Mundligler from Canada, Martin Aner from Austria. List is not final and will change and will be expanded before the beginning of the spring work.
12. How long will the excavations last? And when do you expect that the parts of the pyramid will be seen by the naked eye.
For this year we planned excavations to last from the April 14th till October 29th of 2006. Considering that dozen of excavation sites where work will be done will be covered, it is best to come to the site of the excavation to see the cleaned pieces of stone tiles and walls of the pyramid and the tiles which make up the access plateau. Of course, in the latter phase, entry will be permitted to the center of the pyramid to the limited number of visitors in the tourist groups.
13. Do you have a support of the state?
Is it possible that Bosnian politics is step ahead on experts on something and that at the same time we all agree? Well you see, it is possible! Bosnian pyramids have united all levels of government showing political maturity starting with Visoko municipality, Ze-Do Canton, Federation of Bosnia and Herzegovina, which lately ordered that all construction on Visocica be stopped while the research work is ongoing and that the area be pronounced on national interest.
14. Which is the tallest pyramid and how tall is it? Could Bosnian pyramids be compared to the Egyptian (size, age, shape...)?
Unofficially, the tallest is the White pyramid in China which is between 250 and 300 meters tall. Keeps' pyramid in Egypt is 146 meters tall. Pyramid of the sun in Teotihuacán is half that size. Estimation (until official results in April) is that the Bosnian pyramid of the Sun is 220 meters tall and far taller than the one in Egypt. Area is twice the size of the Egyptian and the Mexican. Regarding the age, there is more and more evidence that the main pyramid complex were built right before the end of the last Ice age, indicating that there was world wide plan for building these monuments.
15. What effect will this discovery have on the European and World history?
European history is changing in its core. Hundreds of meters of stone tiles from the center of Bosnia will send a warning signs to historians and ask of them to rewrite the history books.
16. We wish you all the best in your work with a wish to prove to everyone the existence of pyramids and to increase by that historical and tourist value of Bosnia and Herzegovina.
Thank you for your interest and encouragement. All the best to you and your readers who were patient enough to read all the answers.